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Marklin RS 800: Complete Review

Hello everyone,

Another feature of this blog is being able to maintain and repair Marklin trains, and sometimes that includes taking them apart for service or just to see how everything functions under the body.

This review is of an RS 800.  This gallery will show how to almost completely dissassemble an RS 800 locomotive. I do not take apart the motor mount/housing or the reversing switch as sometimes these sections are hard to put back together and could cause harm to the locomotive.

Tools:

(1) Flathead screwdriver

(2) Small pin / paperclip (optional)

Gallery:

 

The French Métro and Marklin 3190

The metro system in Paris, France is one of the busiest in Europe today, coming just after Moscow which currently holds first place.  This metro system was first adopted on April 20, 1896 when the Fulgence Bienvenüe project began.  Just four years later, the first line was unveiled during the Paris World’s Fair on July 19, 1900.  The first line was Maillot-Vincennes and was the first line of an ongoing metro system that continues to develop and advance to this day.

There are many entrances to these metro stations that exist today, they are scattered around Paris with almost 100 still existing, dating back to the early 1900s.  View the picture of one on a Paris streetcorner below.

Because of this extremely important and historic event, Märklin modeled a famous French Métro set that was produced from 1908 to 1909.  The set usually consisted of two to three metro cars that had two sets of double sliding doors on each side.  The cars were powered electrically and some carried small lamps on the ends of the cars.  Being that this métro set was only produced for two years, the cars are very scarce and information on them is extremely limited.  Although a few of my referance materials point to pictures of this model, it seems there were possibly different versions produced.  For example, in a Christie’s auction catalog, the window arrangement is 4 window – 1 Door – 3 window – 1 Door – 1 window.  However, in an auction from 2008, we can clearly see a similar model with the arrangement 3 windows –  1 door – 2 windows – 1 door – 1 window.  Perhaps cars of different lengths and colors were available.

See the gallery at the bottom to view some pictures of this rare example.

From the early 1900s on, Marklin produced several different types of trollies, trams, and rail cars.  The largest, a Spur I Third Avenue street car that cannot be found in any catalogs, but was produced in 1914.  Some District Line London Underground cars have also been found powered by clockwork motors in 1910.  Ultimately, these types of cars were only produced up until the time before the 1920s where Marklin shifted production and began making steam locomotives in Spur I and O.

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Marklin TW 800, 1939 – 1949, Fully Explained

Marklin’s TW 800 was met with worldwide reception from the years 1939 – 1949. The TW 800 is commonly seen with warped sub frames and crackling paint. In all of its 5 different versions produced from 1939 -1949 in purple, blue, green, and red, the TW 800 is known for being a collector favorite. However, TW 800s are commonly seen with restorations: glue repair; rewired; sub frame repainted; and most commonly, retouching. Marklin began producing the TW 800 in 1939, following their phasing out of the production of the TWE 700 in 1939 (first produced in 1936). Both of these models have resemblance to an even earlier O Gauge example, the TW 66/12940.

Marklin TW 800 Versions

Version Description Years
1 Violette/Cream 1939
2 Violette/Cream Pantographs (2.2) 1940-1942, 1945-1946
3N Red; 2 Motors Pantographs (4.1) 1949
4N Blue/Cream 1949
5N Green/Cream 1949

The TW800N.3 was originally sold with type 4.1 pantographs, but were often replaced with earlier type 2.1 or 2.2 pantographs (pictured below). Similar TW 800 versions often have the incorrect pantographs because of the previous owner’s changes.

TW800N.3 incorrect type 2.1 pantographs and Violette/Cream center piece from first version TW 800.

TW800N.3 incorrect type 2.1 pantographs and Violette/Cream center piece from first version TW 800.

TW800.4 Blue/Cream produced 1949 with type 4.1 pantographs.

TW800.4 Blue/Cream produced 1949 with type 4.1 pantographs.

 

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TW800.4 suffering zincpest in original box.

The boxes for the TW 800 were produced in two different types. During World War II, Marklin produced its boxes without the typical “Bicycle” logos in order to save on ink expenses and supplies. That is why we often see boxes (like the one pictured below) in a tan/gray color. Although, it is possible to have different varieties in boxes that do not correspond to a certain version. Marklin often used boxes from previous years when surpluses were made or dealers could have switched them out. Versions other than 1 and 2 are marked with the color, for example a “TW 800 B” for a version 4 Blue TW 800. Boxes also contained the typical corrugated rolls which were used to prevent damage during shipping/transport.

Original box for TW800.4 “Blue” for during wartime without “Bicycle” logos.

Among all versions of the TW800, zincpest is the most common problem for collectors. TW800s suffering from zincpest usually require that particular part to be replaced with an original or replica. Zincpest most commonly affects the gray sub frame of the locomotive, warping it and causing parts to chip off.

A warped subframe for a version 4 TW800.

A warped subframe for a version 4 TW800.

Overall, the TW800 is an excellent locomotive for the Marklin collection. However, its high vulnerability to zincpest and related condition issues make it a very hard locomotive to collect. This also makes your changes of stumbling upon a TW 800 with replica parts very likely.  Be sure to be aware of the possibility of a locomotive have some or all replica parts.  If you do plan on purchasing a TW800, be sure to leave some extra money for possible restoration costs and ask the seller to package carefully!

Marklin Catalog Codes & Pricelists

Marklin Pricelists

faonewyorkMarklin pricelists were sent along with catalogs for consumers to purchase and browse the new and current Marklin train items offered. Pricelists can be found written in many languages including German, English, French, Spanish, and more.  To give an idea of the Marklin prices in such pricelists, we can use the 1951 pricelist from F.A.O. Schwarz located at 745 5th Ave. COR. 58th Street, New York.

No USA $ No USA $ No USA $
RM 800 23 DT 800 43.50 311 2.95
TM 800 17.50 RE 848/4 88 311 H 3.65
HR 800 39 ST 800 75 311 K 3.65
SK 800 39 ST 800 MT 9 311 S 3.65
TT 800 37 362 1.65 314 BP 4.60
G 800 47.50 366 2.70 314 E 4.60
RSM 800 19.50 367 2.95 314 G 4.60
SE 800 27 371 1.80 314 S 4.60
SEW 800 31 372 1.80 315 3.65
RE 800 45 372 G 2.15 316 N 4.25
MS 800 42 374 ESSO 2.70 321 3.95
CCS 800 60 374 SHELL 2.70 321 G 4.25
DL 800 65 381 1.65 322 4.25
RM 829/4 49.50 386 1.65 323 3.65
TM 865/4 42 390 2.40 310 4.25
398 .95 391 2.95 320 4.25
HR 846/4 110 393 4.25 320 S 6.65
SK 846/4 110 305 1.50 324 4.60
RSM 829/4 45 307 1.95 325 4.60
SE 846/4 64.50 308 2.70 326 4.60

To give some perspective to these prices, we can look at the costs of household items in America during the year 1951.

House: $16,000
Average income: $3,515
Ford car: $1424-$2253
8.3 cu. ft. General Electric refrigerator: $330
Milk: $.92
Gas: $.20
Bread $.16
Postage stamp: $.03

Source: Fifties Web

Many Marklin catalog collectors today are constantly searching for pricelists to accompany their catalogs. The pricelist is almost like an original box to a locomotive to complete the entire “package.” Much like catalogs, we can obtain a great deal of information about a pricelist simply by looking at the small print code in the lower left hand corner. Read the article below to learn about how to find the print number, date of printing, and the printing house.

Printing Codes and Catalogs

Almost every year, Märklin produced printed catalogs that would often be included in starter sets or laid out in hobby stores. Catalogs showed off the new products that Märklin produced for that year. The earliest catalog known in existence today consists of hand drawn pictures of the Märklin production line from 1890. The first strictly HO/00 scale catalog was printed in 1935, following Märklin’s introduction of the new HO/00 scale. This catalog was printed in English, German, Dutch, French, and Spanish. From 1935 – 1939, catalogs were printed for Great Britain and included LMS and LNER variants. The famous E 800 locomotive is featured in this catalog and now has an auction estimate of over $35,000 if one becomes available.

Märklin used special printing codes for their catalogs which are commonly printed in the lower left-hand or right-hand corner of the catalog’s cover or on the inside of the cover page. These codes can be used to determine the number printed, month of printing, year of printing, and where the catalog was printed (Märklin used outsourced printers).

Codes – Number of Catalogs Printed:

T – 1
O – 2
Y – 3
M – 4
A – 5
R – 6
K – 7
L – 8
I – 9
N – 0

It737f using the “TOYMARKLIN” pattern, each letter represents a multiple of 1,000 editions, we can use this number as a base number for deciphering our codes. Thus, the print code “A 751” would give us the information: 5,000 printed (A=5 –> 5 (A)*1,000(base) = 5,000), printed in the month of July, and printed in the year 1951. However, the pattern “toymarklin” with lowercase letters can also be used, but this pattern represents multiples of 100 printed. A lowercase “t” would be 100 printed and a lowercase “m” would be 400 printed.

Comparison of Export Models for USA and Great Britain in the 1930s

Great Britain USA
R 700 LMS
R 700 LNER
R 700 S LMS
R 700 S LNER
SLR 700 LMS
SLR 700 LNER
HR 700 LMS
HR 700 LNER
R 800 LMS
R 800 LNE
SLR 800 LMS
SLR 800 LNE
HR 800 LMS
HR 800 LNE
E 800 LMS
HR 700 A
R 700 A

As the table above shows, the market for Great Britain was given much more attention in terms of special variants produced. Considering the above table only shows locomotives and not the many starter sets and passenger cars also produced for Great Britain, the American market was much smaller. That is why few Märklin dealers existed in the 1930s. New York had Richard Maerklin Trains, and Illinois and Oklahoma had a few hobby shops offering Märklin in the 1930s.

Codes – Common Examples

ONN. 937. D. – 200,000 printed in September of 1937 (German language)
A 0845 r – 5,000 printed in August of 1945
 1953 Pricelist

1953 Pricelist

instruction

1936 O Gauge Instructions

 

In addition to catalogs, the same printing codes can be applied to pricelists that were included with the catalogs. These pricelists are printed commonly on pink paper, but were also printed on white and blue paper as well. Similarly, Märklin printed New Item “Neuheiten” catalogs that would show new products throughout the year that were sent to dealers. Instruction sheets follow a similar pattern.

To gain even more information about catalogs, pricelists, and sometimes instruction sheets, one can look at dealers stamps. When Märklin sent printed materials to dealers, they would often stamp the paper with information containing the hobby shop name, location, and sometimes the owner of the store. In the USA during the 1930s and 1940s, Richard Märklin Trains was the main importer of Märklin for the United States, located in New York (Picture below).

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